Showing posts with label DCU. Show all posts
Showing posts with label DCU. Show all posts
Sunday, April 3, 2016
That Supergirl/ Flash Meet-Up on CBS's "Supergirl"
Pick a tone, DC Entertainment.
I was never a fan of the "two heroes meet, fight, realize it's all a mistake and then go off to fight a common threat" trope of comics. So, yes, just seeing the title of Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice literally told me everything I didn't need to see in the WB opus (now down over 70% in ticket sales from last weekend). It literally makes no sense for a person dedicated to improving things for other people to start a conversation by throwing a punch at someone else's head. Frankly, it always kind of diminishes whatever I'm reading when the writers get lazy and that's the path they follow.
Yeah, even "Superman meets Spider-Man".*
I've been a fan of The CW's The Flash since episode 1, and I continue to enjoy the heck out of that show. From this DC nerd's perspective, this is how you update a character and make the concept work in another medium with different needs than the comic page or context of National Comics in the Jet Age. If you're going to change up Barry's origin story a bit, this makes sense, and I like the family with which they're surrounded Barry, both the Wests and his "work family", made up of repurposed C and D listers.
The show is far from relentlessly cheerful - villains are a threat, and we've had two seasons with serious arcs casting a shadow over the events of everything else. But the core characters don't wallow in self-imposed pity parties and comply with the notion that being a jerk is a prerequisite to intelligence or depth of character (it seems Arrow is continuing to struggle with how to dig themselves out of that hole). Barry and Co.'s ability to keep on going and improve things for themselves and the world is at the heart of what I like about ongoing superhero comics.
I wrote more than one post regarding the rocky start to CBS's Supergirl, but at some point the show started getting a grip on what it is and could be. Once it dropped some of the standard soapy TV tropes and got on with the business of superheroing, it's been on a gradual incline of watchability. They dropped the lame "nice guy" storyline for Win, and, to my great satisfaction, the seemingly one-dimensional character of Cat Grant (played by Calista Flockhart) blossomed immediately into a mentor character for Supergirl and her alter ego. And, of course, the long game of naming Hank Henshaw as leader of this DEO business pulled a switcheroo and turned out to be a huge highlight of the season as the character turned out not to be the ridiculous Cyborg Superman but Martian Manhunter.**
I never disliked the cast of Supergirl, but CBS applied a lot of old-hat tricks, believing they knew how to make the show work for the broadest audience, but it seemed outdated and a drag on the show's velocity. And, while I'm not sure we're getting a second season (it hasn't been renewed so far as I know), a second season could get down to brass tacks and be quite fun. Plus, they've said Lynda Carter could play the President next season, which this site heartily endorses. It could be a lot of fun.
And there's that word. Fun.
Wednesday, March 30, 2016
Before Comics Were Cool - The Gen-X Recollection Project: Jason C.
We are thrilled to have the participation of Jason C. here for the Gen-X Recollection Project.
Jason is a recently published author, a former co-worker, a former collaborator from my days at Comic Fodder, holds a PhD in English, a software developer and all around good guy. Oddly, before I met Jason, I'd read part of his dissertation as it made the rounds in the geek-o-sphere as he discussed DC Comics as a collaborative shared universe through the lens of Crisis on Infinite Earths. It was an odd moment when Jason and I were first chatting at work and I realized he was the guy who wrote that dissertation.*
Also, it turned out Jason was in grad school at the same time as my boss and they're pals. Sometimes Austin, TX is a very small world.
Recently, Jason published his first novel, Old Green World. which is very reasonably priced at Amazon.
But, enough about me. Here's Jason's narrative of how things went down.
I don't remember my first comic, but I'll tell you the first comics that I remember. A crisis happened every summer, late in the summer, around when the pool was getting routine. The Justice League would visit every year with the Justice Society. The Justice Society were the old heroes, the aunts and uncles and grandparents from World War II. It was a family reunion. The Justice League lived on Earth-1, and the Justice Society on Earth-2, but they would travel to see one another through a dimensional portal. When the portal went wrong, it was a crisis. The portal always went wrong. Every year.
Jason is a recently published author, a former co-worker, a former collaborator from my days at Comic Fodder, holds a PhD in English, a software developer and all around good guy. Oddly, before I met Jason, I'd read part of his dissertation as it made the rounds in the geek-o-sphere as he discussed DC Comics as a collaborative shared universe through the lens of Crisis on Infinite Earths. It was an odd moment when Jason and I were first chatting at work and I realized he was the guy who wrote that dissertation.*
Also, it turned out Jason was in grad school at the same time as my boss and they're pals. Sometimes Austin, TX is a very small world.
Recently, Jason published his first novel, Old Green World. which is very reasonably priced at Amazon.
But, enough about me. Here's Jason's narrative of how things went down.
I don't remember my first comic, but I'll tell you the first comics that I remember. A crisis happened every summer, late in the summer, around when the pool was getting routine. The Justice League would visit every year with the Justice Society. The Justice Society were the old heroes, the aunts and uncles and grandparents from World War II. It was a family reunion. The Justice League lived on Earth-1, and the Justice Society on Earth-2, but they would travel to see one another through a dimensional portal. When the portal went wrong, it was a crisis. The portal always went wrong. Every year.
ed. note: Owl Man's original costume is insane |
Tuesday, March 29, 2016
DC Comics details #DCRebirth, we look at Superman and... So many questions (not necessarily in a good way)
Thank Hera, WW is back in gold. But what's with the blue boots on Supes? |
Over the weekend at something called WonderCon, DC Comics used the Comic Convention platform to do what they used to do back before videogames and movies gentrified CCI/ San Diego - they actually delivered some fairly large comics news.
It's no secret to retailers or readers that DC Comics' line of titles has been in a creative hole of despair for going on 5 years, and sales have taken a related major nose-dive in the past two years despite incentive covers and as much Harley Quinn as DC could print. The ill-conceived Convergence event of Summer 2015 gave anyone on the fence the opportunity to get the hell out of there, and, abandon DC they did.
It wasn't too hard to figure that after DC moved to the new West Coast offices many things would change, that the real-world stresses of moving would put any ability to react to sales issues on the back burner, but, once everyone was settled, they'd immediately begin planning.
The final product of a few months of brian-storming is now revealed: DC Comics Rebirth.
So, what is Rebirth?
Monday, March 28, 2016
In Light of "Superman vs: Batman" - What is the Point of Film Criticism?
Batman ponders the Super Package |
Although perhaps less so every year in a world of constantly sub-divided attention, movies and television are the modern cultural touchstones. More than news, political figures or even war, there's nothing like a $400 million dollar movie to get everyone around the world doing the same thing on a Saturday. International dominance of American cinema means that films transcend boundaries and political ideologies as Hollywood carefully crafts non-political films with standard "good v evil" tropes, without ever casting a particular point of view, aside from "evil menace" as the bad guy.
We aren't all just film viewers, we are all film reviewers. We see a film, we consider that film against other films, source material and our particular perspective. Sometimes we write that thought down. The job requires no credentialing, and while some people are paid to look at movies, sum them up and say a few words about the relative merit of a film, others do this endlessly, fruitlessly on their own (cough), but it is something we all do mentally. We are all ready to write a column for the local paper. We all have the best, most nuanced of opinions.
Most of what you see in the press I think of as "reviewers" more than "critics". Somehow, someway, those folks parlayed an interest in going to a bunch of movies every week into a job where they then must writer 1000 words about that movie. A review contains a synopsis, who stars in a movie, and some sort of opinion about the movie. Some make it colorful - and in this era of anyone with a keyboard having the ability to publish, you gotta write some colorful stuff to get clicks.
How to separate a critic from a reviewer?
Well, a reviewer is a person with a local newspaper column or a website. It's me. It's you. Your aunt who posts things to facebook.
There are two definitions of critic, I think.
Tuesday, March 15, 2016
CBS's "Supergirl" Seems Markedly Better
Against my better instincts, I kept tuning in week after week to CBS's entrance into the superhero game, Supergirl. In all honesty, I didn't think the show would last, so I figured I could stick with it for a season and call it a day. The show would demonstrate these bits of promise, and then revert back to the disappointing formula blend it seemed the network wanted to enforce - all of which seemed out of step with what might make the show work.
None of what I think has an impact on ratings, and I don't know how large or small the actual audience is for the program. I hear things about falling ratings, but then I'm told its been renewed, so someone has faith in it.
I was pretty hard on this show when it started. If I can give it grief, I can say some positive things as well. And there's been good on the show in ways I've found pleasantly surprising - especially on network TV.
Friday, February 19, 2016
Geoff Johns Offers Vision of DCU "Rebirth" Didio will @#$% Up Before Issue 1
New day. Same company.
DC Comics, in a sales death spiral, continues to not fire the people making the same terrible decisions they've been making for well over a decade. On Thursday, DC Comics released a video of famed comics writer and live-action area liaison, Geoff Johns talking the mysterious "Rebirth" event hinted at by DC Comics Publisher Dan Didio via an obnoxious image released via twitter a couple of weeks ago.
This week is a sort of comics retailers meeting in Portland, OR, and DC has to say something to make retailers think the shoddy output and related plummeting sales of their company currently running comic shops right into the ground is due for am upturn. Knowing that Dan Didio has about the same level of credibility as the Sham-Wow guy (and Jim Lee is, let's be honest, not great at this sort of thing), at least for the public face they put good ol' Geoff Johns out there in front with a video and some announcements about new price points, new #1's and a return to the numbering on Detective and Action Comics.
DC Comics, in a sales death spiral, continues to not fire the people making the same terrible decisions they've been making for well over a decade. On Thursday, DC Comics released a video of famed comics writer and live-action area liaison, Geoff Johns talking the mysterious "Rebirth" event hinted at by DC Comics Publisher Dan Didio via an obnoxious image released via twitter a couple of weeks ago.
this isn't even no data, this is negative data |
This week is a sort of comics retailers meeting in Portland, OR, and DC has to say something to make retailers think the shoddy output and related plummeting sales of their company currently running comic shops right into the ground is due for am upturn. Knowing that Dan Didio has about the same level of credibility as the Sham-Wow guy (and Jim Lee is, let's be honest, not great at this sort of thing), at least for the public face they put good ol' Geoff Johns out there in front with a video and some announcements about new price points, new #1's and a return to the numbering on Detective and Action Comics.
Saturday, February 13, 2016
TV Watch: Legends of Tomorrow
Oh, man. So many mixed feelings about this show.
Here's what I think: If I hadn't been reading superhero comics for 30-odd years, this thing would seem fresh as a daisy Lots of superheroes having an adventure, living a little, learning a little, comparing and contrasting themselves, speaking entirely in exposition. It genuinely has the pacing and plotless weaving of a real DC Comics crossover event comic, complete with all the clunky dialog and trying to do too much with too many characters in too little time, and you kind of stick it out through the parts that don't work (which are many), because when it does work, it's a lot of fun. And, it may actually "count", depending on how well received the thing winds up.
Monday, February 8, 2016
The Atlantic Takes DC to Task for Dropping the Ball with Superman
Whether you get around to reading my comments below or not, it's probably worth looking at this article in The Atlantic. This is a fairly serious and well respected news and opinion source, and it's calling out DC Comics/ Entertainment for their poor handling of Superman in the past few decades. A topic near and dear to my heart.
I was awake and moving for all of 30 minutes Sunday morning before I looked at my phone and saw my brother sent the link to the story. Honestly, I kind of rolled my eyes at the headline. The past twenty or more years have been full of articles in places, both reputable and otherwise, writing about how and why Superman was no longer relevant. Too goody-goody. Not po-mo or meta enough. Not "edgy" enough for today's gnarly kids and their totally radical view of bad-ass-dom.
faster than microwaving his popcorn |
I was awake and moving for all of 30 minutes Sunday morning before I looked at my phone and saw my brother sent the link to the story. Honestly, I kind of rolled my eyes at the headline. The past twenty or more years have been full of articles in places, both reputable and otherwise, writing about how and why Superman was no longer relevant. Too goody-goody. Not po-mo or meta enough. Not "edgy" enough for today's gnarly kids and their totally radical view of bad-ass-dom.
Wednesday, February 3, 2016
In Defense of Bizarro: Me Am Think Bizarro Is Worst Character Ever
So, I watched Monday evening's episode of Supergirl on CBS, and while heartened that the episode introduced the idea of Bizarro for a new generation, I'm also wondering what they're leaving for Superman himself at this point, or what they think Superman has been up to as they keep introducing all of his villains on the show like they've never been around before.
But, no harm no foul.
If I took exception to the episode, it was that we had a BINO. Bizarro In Name Only.
Good-bye! Me am not comics version of Bizarro-Girl! |
If you've unfamiliar with Superman's sometimes enemy/ sometimes pal, Bizarro, well, firstly, I pity you. Secondly, in the original comics, Bizarro was an imperfect duplicate of Superboy and, soon, Superman. The angular-faced misfit was a perfect fit with the bi-polar nature of Superman's Silver Age adventures.
In the wake of the Senate hearings and the installation of the Comics Code Authority - we ended Superman threatening people and hurling them around violently and the comics explored what it meant for Superman to be the Last Son of Krypton as well as a Superman with time to kill since crime was abruptly held in check. The Man of Steel was now having a good laugh moving the Eiffel Tower around to mess with Lois one story, and in the second feature was openly weeping about the fate of his birth parents.
Equal parts clown, monster, hero, villain, misunderstood child and wreckless menace, Bizarro was the wild card in the Superman deck in an era of Superman comics littered with Robot Supermans, Supergirls, Super Cats and Dogs, King Kongs with Death Laser Eyes and routine occurrences of Superman being turned into a baby. I haven't even gotten to Jimmy Olsen's Silver Age lifestyle and all that insanity. And, yet, it all fit together pretty well.
In the wake of the Senate hearings and the installation of the Comics Code Authority - we ended Superman threatening people and hurling them around violently and the comics explored what it meant for Superman to be the Last Son of Krypton as well as a Superman with time to kill since crime was abruptly held in check. The Man of Steel was now having a good laugh moving the Eiffel Tower around to mess with Lois one story, and in the second feature was openly weeping about the fate of his birth parents.
Equal parts clown, monster, hero, villain, misunderstood child and wreckless menace, Bizarro was the wild card in the Superman deck in an era of Superman comics littered with Robot Supermans, Supergirls, Super Cats and Dogs, King Kongs with Death Laser Eyes and routine occurrences of Superman being turned into a baby. I haven't even gotten to Jimmy Olsen's Silver Age lifestyle and all that insanity. And, yet, it all fit together pretty well.
Bizarro first appeared as a one-off in Superboy #68, but soon re-appeared in the mainline Superman titles where he gained his own supporting cast and planet. Hell, yes, he did.
Friday, January 22, 2016
Oh, holy @#$%. DC Comics looks to be rebooting. Again. Again. Again. Again.
Look, I don't really read any DC Comics any more. Which, yeah... I know, right?
And I have gotten quite tired of saying that watching DC Comics as a publisher/ company/ whatever is waaaaay more interesting than their output.
But what I do know is that for the past year or so, DC's sales have been sliding like mad, and my guess is that even the current milking of Dark Knight Returns with the inconceivably named third volume The Master Race, isn't working out quite as planned.
"I just keep failing upward!" |
Anyway, rumors were a-hopping today at Bleeding Cool that a line-wide reboot was in the works. Heidi opined on this over at Comics Beat.
Then, Didio and Lee both tweeted a kind of stupid looking image of a blue curtain with the word "Rebirth" projected onto the curtain.
Sunday, December 20, 2015
Tuesday, December 15, 2015
Thursday, December 10, 2015
Thursday, December 3, 2015
Your Obligatory "Batman y Superman: Something Something Hey! Wonder Woman!" trailer post
Yup. That is definitely a trailer for a movie that is coming out.
And, yup, WB finally (finally!) got Doomsday on-screen as a Lex Luthor product. They've been wanting to do that since I was in college.
Friday, October 9, 2015
What About "Dark Knight Strikes Again"? - a follow up to the Frank Miller post
Someone online rightfully pointed out that in my previous post on DC Comics as a flat circle and why we should both be delighted and horrified by a new Dark Knight installment by Frank Miller, I forgot to mention the Dark Knight Strikes Again fiasco. Their phrase, not mine, but, perhaps apt.
Let's discuss, shall we?
And, of course, that's right. I literally forgot. I knew what I planned to say, but I forgot to write it in there.* So, look, here's a whole post, so I don't want to hear from any of you that I don't take feedback or get inspired by folks who do look at the site, Randy.
But, if I were to talk about Dark Knight Strikes Again, I'd have to do so in context. So, here goes:
Let's discuss, shall we?
And, of course, that's right. I literally forgot. I knew what I planned to say, but I forgot to write it in there.* So, look, here's a whole post, so I don't want to hear from any of you that I don't take feedback or get inspired by folks who do look at the site, Randy.
But, if I were to talk about Dark Knight Strikes Again, I'd have to do so in context. So, here goes:
Wednesday, October 7, 2015
TL;DR: Dark Knight III, Dan Didio's DC Comes Full Circle and Being Okay with Frank Miller in 2015
To recap, the three tricks in Didio's book have been (1) to revisit already well-established and popular works in comics and (2) the universe-wide reboot. The third (numero three) trick is one Marvel has taken a real shine to, and that's keeping one name on the marquee with replacing the character that built the brand and/ or completely changing that main character. But I'm not getting into that one today.*
We've seen tricks numbers 1 and 2 over and over in ways I cannot believe haven't become a punchline on the internets, but the contents of the actual comics isn't really what's on the minds of the comics internets on any given day.
DC Comics has been trying to plug the dam when it comes to sales since about 12 months after the New 52 reboot, the atomic bomb version of the trick #2 rebooting, revamping, universe retouching he'd been doing since Infinite Crisis led to One Year Later just over 9 years ago, and which he just revisited with Convergence and the seemingly disastrous "DC YOU".**
We've seen tricks numbers 1 and 2 over and over in ways I cannot believe haven't become a punchline on the internets, but the contents of the actual comics isn't really what's on the minds of the comics internets on any given day.
Bam! Zap! Pow! Comics aren't just for kids! |
DC Comics has been trying to plug the dam when it comes to sales since about 12 months after the New 52 reboot, the atomic bomb version of the trick #2 rebooting, revamping, universe retouching he'd been doing since Infinite Crisis led to One Year Later just over 9 years ago, and which he just revisited with Convergence and the seemingly disastrous "DC YOU".**
In the 1980's, DC's bold direction under Jeanette Kahn and Pual Levitz allowed for a creator-driven environment to produce a few seminal works of comic-dom that truly did alter the landscape and bring capes and tights comics along with the audience as they should have aged out. Superhero comics weren't in college classrooms as assigned material in 1985, but by 1995, at least Watchmen was known worldwide, and for more than 20 years, the comic was held up in "best books of the last X number of years" lists and found mentions in magazines your parents would read when doing that sort of thing was something humans still did.
Sunday, October 4, 2015
The Flash, Season 2 debuts Tuesday!
I don't talk about the character as much as Superman or Wonder Woman, but I think it's been pretty clear to longtime readers that I'm a fan of DC's speedster dynasty and the whole Flash concept. From when Carmine Infantino drew his first strobe-image of Barry Allen in motion, this was a book that looked pretty straightforward, but which got really weird, really fast way back in the Silver Age, and it never turned back.*
And, lest we forget, the whole concept of a multi-verse in comics was spawned in the classic "Flash of Two Worlds" story in The Flash #123, back in 1961.
Speaking of, Tuesday sees the season premier of The Flash as it enters its sophomore year. And, look who shows up:
Jay Garrick has been vital to the Barry Allen Flash comics since that 1961 issue, and it's awesome to see he'll get screentime and, I hope, a recurring role.
Last season was the most fun I had watching any one TV show. Maybe it's not as intricate and adult as Mad Men or The Americans, but it does exactly what I want a Flash TV show to do - be super weird, have lots of fun twists and turns, use super speed in new ways all the time, and make Barry Allen an all right kind of guy.
They threw everything at the wall last season, and it mostly worked. Now we see what happens when they don't just worry about time-travel, they worry about the multiverse. Let's hope this isn't the season where they drop the ball.
Here's some posters:
And, lest we forget, the whole concept of a multi-verse in comics was spawned in the classic "Flash of Two Worlds" story in The Flash #123, back in 1961.
Speaking of, Tuesday sees the season premier of The Flash as it enters its sophomore year. And, look who shows up:
hell, yes |
Last season was the most fun I had watching any one TV show. Maybe it's not as intricate and adult as Mad Men or The Americans, but it does exactly what I want a Flash TV show to do - be super weird, have lots of fun twists and turns, use super speed in new ways all the time, and make Barry Allen an all right kind of guy.
They threw everything at the wall last season, and it mostly worked. Now we see what happens when they don't just worry about time-travel, they worry about the multiverse. Let's hope this isn't the season where they drop the ball.
Here's some posters:
Friday, August 28, 2015
Happy Birthday, Jack Kirby! Some Favorites from his time at DC
Today marks Jack "King" Kirby's 98th birthday.
Jack's granddaughter runs to Kirby4Heroes Campaign, which is an annual event focused on raising money for The Hero Initiative. The Hero Initiative raises money for freelancer comic artists and creators who may need some financial assistance.
Let's honor Jack Kirby by donating today!
And what better way to celebrate the man and artist than with a glimpse of his amazing work. We're doing more than one post on Kirby, so look for two more today. But we're starting with DC as I first went from "that's Jack Kirby" to appreciating Jack Kirby, specifically via his Fourth World work and that era of DC output.
Let's start with one of my favorite DC characters, and an original Kirby creation...
Jack's granddaughter runs to Kirby4Heroes Campaign, which is an annual event focused on raising money for The Hero Initiative. The Hero Initiative raises money for freelancer comic artists and creators who may need some financial assistance.
Let's honor Jack Kirby by donating today!
And what better way to celebrate the man and artist than with a glimpse of his amazing work. We're doing more than one post on Kirby, so look for two more today. But we're starting with DC as I first went from "that's Jack Kirby" to appreciating Jack Kirby, specifically via his Fourth World work and that era of DC output.
Let's start with one of my favorite DC characters, and an original Kirby creation...
Thursday, August 27, 2015
TL;DR: Pondering falling DC Comics Sales, Uncle Scrooge, New Coke and Consistency
According to Heidi (and, I guess, Bleeding Cool), DC's "DC You"/ Post-Convergence line of books is not selling at needed levels, perhaps far below those levels as the just-launched DC You effort may be about to quietly go off into that good night. TPTB at DC Comics must see some bad signs when it comes to future sales, something they have have a feeling for 3-4 months before comics hit the racks as we're all stuck in this "pre-order" culture from retailer to consumer.
Rumor is that there may be a call to retrench back to the Pre-Convergence line of thinking on the DCU line of books rather than the "Batgirlification" of the line, ie: Dan Didio doesn't know why the current Batgirl comic is selling, and so he's now just letting creators throw shit at the wall to see what sticks.
Here's where I'm going to say something that seems obvious, but isn't treated as such, so bare with me before rushing to the comments, but: the idea that continuity doesn't matter in comics - something longtime comic fans, some of my online pals who come to this very site like to say, may very well be wrong. Even if "Continuity", as in "nitpicking details over a forty year run on a comic" is unnecessary, I'd suggest that Consistency absolutely does matter.
And it may be DC's lack of Consistency/ Continuity that's led to the sudden death spiral for sales.
Rumor is that there may be a call to retrench back to the Pre-Convergence line of thinking on the DCU line of books rather than the "Batgirlification" of the line, ie: Dan Didio doesn't know why the current Batgirl comic is selling, and so he's now just letting creators throw shit at the wall to see what sticks.
Here's where I'm going to say something that seems obvious, but isn't treated as such, so bare with me before rushing to the comments, but: the idea that continuity doesn't matter in comics - something longtime comic fans, some of my online pals who come to this very site like to say, may very well be wrong. Even if "Continuity", as in "nitpicking details over a forty year run on a comic" is unnecessary, I'd suggest that Consistency absolutely does matter.
And it may be DC's lack of Consistency/ Continuity that's led to the sudden death spiral for sales.
Let's Apply This to Scrooge McDuck
Sunday, July 12, 2015
The New "Superman v. Batman" trailer exists, so here goes
Circa 2002, before Superman Returns, WB really, really wanted to do a Superman vs. Batman movie, and it even got a reference in a billboard in the background of I Am Legend. This was just after the success of Spider-Man and X-Men, and WB was trying to figure out to jumpstart the DC heroes, something they'd sort of ignored in the wake of the slow death of the Batman franchise under Joel Schumacher.
As I recall, the storyline for the script was that Batman had been around for a while, gotten married, semi-retired, etc... but then along comes Superman who has a super-fight, and in the battle, somehow Bruce's wife is killed as a bystander. In this version, in order to keep up with Superman, Batman makes a deal with Satan or something and gets magical powers in order to stay toe-to-toe with Superman until, of course, they had someone else to go fight.
A script leaked a couple of years ago has a different version, but, again, Bruce loses a spouse but Superman just says "hey, don't kill nobody, okay?" which Batman totally wants to do. It involves Joker clones and a lot of painting oneself into a corner, narratively
If you're keeping score, even WB - the people who brought us Catwoman, Jonah Hex and Green Lantern - decided against the green light on this script, maybe deciding we first needed to remind America what Superman looked like.
Well, when Man of Steel did pretty well, but word of mouth wasn't all that great and it wasn't clear WB could just roll out a Superman sequel and expect success, they finally went ahead and pulled the trigger on the Batman/ Superman meet-up, and - if nothing else - they hopefully finally got it out of their system and came up with a product that will give everyone the same entirely unsatisfactory match-up that's occurred in every superhero comic, ever, where neither wins and they become friends so they can go off and fight the other threat that was a bigger deal than their little misunderstanding.
Here's the new trailer, by the way.
As I recall, the storyline for the script was that Batman had been around for a while, gotten married, semi-retired, etc... but then along comes Superman who has a super-fight, and in the battle, somehow Bruce's wife is killed as a bystander. In this version, in order to keep up with Superman, Batman makes a deal with Satan or something and gets magical powers in order to stay toe-to-toe with Superman until, of course, they had someone else to go fight.
Never make a deal with this guy |
If you're keeping score, even WB - the people who brought us Catwoman, Jonah Hex and Green Lantern - decided against the green light on this script, maybe deciding we first needed to remind America what Superman looked like.
Well, when Man of Steel did pretty well, but word of mouth wasn't all that great and it wasn't clear WB could just roll out a Superman sequel and expect success, they finally went ahead and pulled the trigger on the Batman/ Superman meet-up, and - if nothing else - they hopefully finally got it out of their system and came up with a product that will give everyone the same entirely unsatisfactory match-up that's occurred in every superhero comic, ever, where neither wins and they become friends so they can go off and fight the other threat that was a bigger deal than their little misunderstanding.
Here's the new trailer, by the way.
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